This is my private proposal based on initiative of user Ramzy.
"xwikiarb Model B plus"
based on "xwikiarb Model B" by Ramzy Muliawan
Previous ideas and resources:
| Ramzy Muliawan Q106762396 muha(double m)firstname.lastname@example.org
| Arbitration model to resolve disputes are now in place at 11 Wikipedia
| projects (Czech, German, English, Persian, Finnish, French, Hungarian,
| Dutch, Polish, Russian, and Ukrainian) and 1 Wikinews project (English).
| xwikiarb Model A: multiple projects in the same region
| One ArbCom for all projects in the Indonesian languages (21 projects)
| xwikiarb Model B: multiple projects in the same language
| id.wikipedia + id.wiktionary ...
| xwikiarb Model C: multiple projects of the same type in the same region
| id.wikipedia + jv.wikipedia
Comments on Ramzy's models:
# "xwikiarb Model A"
The core problem is to define a "region". Ramzy defines it as the
state of Indonesia. One disadvantage is binding wiki structures to
an inherently evil base in the form of borders between states ("Crimea"
is one of the more recent cases of violent changes of such borders, but
even Indonesia has had or still has such problems). This will not work
well in other places, and may cause trouble even in Indonesia due to
minorities less appreciating the central government in Jakarta (-ace-
for example, and there are more).
# idea to merge several projects in a "region" of same type
but different language "xwikiarb Model C" (-id- wiktionary
+ -jv- wiktionary + ...)
This will NOT work. The biggest one of them, -id- wiktionary,
is still too small to make an ArbCom possible. And the size of all
them together will most likely not be sufficient either. The
only possible outcome of this strategy is that no wiktionary,
except -en- maybe, will have an ArbCom. Also all above outlined
flaws of the model A are still present.
# idea to merge several projects of same language but different
type "xwikiarb Model B" (-id- wikipedia + -id- wiktionary + ...)
This is the way to go. It should be obligatory (or at least strongly
encouraged) for all languages, as well as an extra group for Commons +
Wikidata + Meta + MediaWiki together. This way most wikis will not rely
on the U4C (global ArbCom) as the only decision body / instance. This
means that the jurisdiction of existing ArbComs on several wikipedias
will be extended to other wikis in the same language. The ArbComs
should be moved from the NS=4 on wikipedias as for example
to a separate domain, for example
to make sure that they will not be too wikipedia-centristic. It could
be a challenge for the arbitrators to understand for example that
the holy "five pillars" are valid for wikipedia only, and cannot
be applied for conflicts on for example wiktionary. But this is
solvable, and the benefits of this solution outweigh the troubles.
Communities that are "big enough" (this has to be elaborated
in detail) should be required (or at least strongly
encouraged) to establish an ArbCom.
Besides (maybe unconditionally) merging all projects of same language
but different type, there should be optionally a possibility
to merge several languages ("xwikiarb Model B plus"). For example
the -jv- community could decide to join the -id- ArbCom, and accept
-id- as the language of proceedings, the only viable alternative being
ruled directly by U4C (global ArbCom). Also, reportedly, -da- and -no-
wikipedias have been trying to build a common ArbCom at some time.
A broad consensus ie high majority on both or all sides should be
required for such a merge to be permitted, and would result in the
ArbCom located under a suitable neutral domain such as
This may work in some cases (-id- plus -jv-), in other cases it will
not. There are some problem minorities in Indonesia, for example many
Acehnese people feel oppressed by the central government making it
unlikely that they will join the -id- ArbCom. Same will probably apply
for -ru- + -uk- , Yugoslavia and many others. This means that there
will be communities left unable to establish a separate ArbCom,
and unwilling to join one, and there must be a "plan B" for them,
one possibility is a direct jurisdiction of the U4C (global ArbCom).
Pronouns -- Pronomoj -- Pronomina AKA Kata pengganti -- Pronomen
A pronoun is a _word_ _class_ containing small but crucial words
that can replace or join (precede or follow) nouns. There exist
several subclasses, the most important ones are:
* personal pronouns
* possessive pronous
* indefinite pronouns
* -en- 2nd person : you you your
* -en- 3nd person : ey em eir
* -eo- 2nd person : vi vin via[j][n]
* -eo- 3rd person : ri rin ria[j][n]
* -id- 2nd person : Anda Anda Anda
* -id- 3rd person : dia dia dia
* -sv- 2nd person : du dig din/ditt/dina
* -sv- 3rd person : hen henom hens